Flight MH17: Rebels agree to allow ‘safe access’ to crash siteWATCH ABOVE: Obama calls on Putin and Russia to act and allow unimpeded access to Flight MH17 crash site
- Rebels agree to allow safe access to Malaysia Airlines crash site
- Train carrying bodies of crash victims leaves Torez
Prime Minister Najib Razak also said that as part of an agreement he reached by phone with rebel leader Alexander Borodai on Monday evening, independent international investigators will be given “safe access” to the site where the Malaysia Airlines jet went down en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on Thursday, killing all 298 people onboard.
Najib said that as part of the agreement, the black boxes would be handed over to the Malaysian team in Donetsk at 9 p.m. Monday Ukraine time.
WATCH: Train departs carrying bodies of crash victims
Meanwhile, the remains of 282 of the crash victims are being moved by train from the eastern Ukrainian city of Torez to Kharkiv in northeastern Ukraine, Najib said. From there, they will be flown to Amsterdam on a Dutch C130 Hercules military plane and handed over to Dutch authorities.
At a hastily arranged news conference at his residence just after midnight Monday, Najib said that following any necessary forensic work, the remains of the 43 Malaysian citizens who were aboard the plane would then be flown to their home country.“I must stress that although an agreement has been reached, there remain a number of steps require before it is completed,” Najib said. “There is work still to be done, work which relies on continued communication in good faith. Mr. Borodai and his people have so far given their co-operation.”
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If you did not see the report about rotten bodies on the shoot down plane, scroll down to July 18July 21 2014
Russian satellites and American satellites recorded the truthAmerica is being forced to backtrack on accusations that Russia downed flight MH17 after Russia produced proof that (as this web site reported on day one,) Ukranian fighter jets were accompanying flight MH17. Now an AP reporter has also stepped forward, saying that all along, from day one, he was shown proof that American satellites also tracked the shoot down, and that America knew Ukraine downed the plane as well. On day one this web site clearly stated this shoot down was done in Ukraine BY UKRAINE when the real MH17 is never supposed to get within 200 KM of where this plane was shot down. This shoot down was done 200KM East of MH17´s established flight path because the outcome of the investigation could be controlled in that region and falsified to forever hide that beyond a reasonable doubt the plane was in fact flight 370. A real investigation would look at serial numbers on parts which would identify the plane they came from, and would not be limited to photos of a paint job and even those photos are totally messed up when all sources of them are put together in the same bin. A summary of the evidence proving this was flight 370, including what happened to the MH17 "passengers" is below:
Questions answeredThe most asked question is "what about the passengers who boarded MH17."? Answer: Obviously, with the doctors claiming to have DNA identified the passengers on day two which is days too soon because you need two samples to identify anyone - one from before the passenger boarded which would be gathered from the home and one of the passenger, to match to the passenger, that statement is patently false because it could not be done that quickly and if they had to say that and were willing to this early on, they are lying about everything and it then becomes obvious that perhaps NONE of the stated passengers were aboard. It is impossible get DNA identification THAT FAST when samples have to be gathered from Holland, China, Malaysia and other places from homes and elsewhere to be matched against people on the plane, and the fact the MSM is reporting that this was accomplished within two days, analyzed and matched to passengers proves the entire official story is a lie. It would be difficult to get to even one home and collect a decent sample in two days, let alone every home everywhere, and AFTER getting that sample then actually analyze it, a process which by itself takes days.
The obviously brand new passports also proves no one listed actually boarded any flight MH17.Every passport gathered from the wreckage was absolutely totally and completely sparkly new as if it had never been touched before. This was shown in numerous youtube videos and higher quality photos. In any stack of passports gathered from people at random you would probably get one or two like that, but the fact that not a single one showed any wear at all proves that they were all printed a couple days prior to be used for falsifying who was on the plane. There should have been a mix of new, lightly used and totally dog eared passports if they really were as claimed. Once again, along with the phony DNA identification claims, the all 100 percent sparkly new passports reveal the lie. Obviously ZERO passports were on that plane, and a psy op team went through the wreckage and threw them there. The shoot down was well planned and teams were ready.
The rotten bodies proves no one living boarded that planeMilitary commanders confirmed that a large portion of the bodies in the wreckage were rotten, drained of blood and dead for days before the plane even took off. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT ANOMALY WITH A RATIONAL BRAIN? Well, Rense said they were in the cargo hold and regular passengers were in the cabin, but that is a dubious claim when the air in the cargo hold of a 777 (which is pressurized) gets circulated through the main cabin as well as a normal matter of course which would have stunk so bad NO ONE would ever board, there were TONS of sparkly new passports and not a single used one, and "everyone was already DNA identified on DAY TWO" which would be flatly impossible.
The fact that flight MH17 continued on schedule without a hitch afterward also proves no one living boarded MH17 BECAUSE THAT ROUTE LOST ZERO AIRPLANES.The fact that it is business as usual already also proves Route MH17 never lost an airplane. Can you see what I am getting at here? If you are waiting for the liars in the media to say OH, WE DID IT, THAT WAS FLIGHT 370, WE FAKED THE PASSPORTS, FAKED THE BOARDING LOGS FOR MH17 TO SPOOF BUSINESS AS USUAL AND SHOT DOWN FLIGHT 370 WITH ROTTEN BODIES ABOARD you are waiting for pathological liars to get well.
BUT WAIT, THERE IS MORE!The media lies in this psy op just keep on giving - such as the 108 dead aids researchers on the plane, which this web site totally trashed, forcing a redaction of that statement and a reduction of that number to SIX. 108 DOES NOT EQUAL SIX. HOW DOES THAT MATCH THE BOARDING LOG? Quite well if it was phony and NEVER EXISTED.
How about another media screw up?How about this one - the plane was 200 KM off course, 200KM TOO FAR INTO UKRAINE, 200 KM FARTHER THAN IT WOULD EVER BELONG AND THE MEDIA NEVER SAID IT. WHY? ANSWER: Because it had to be 200 KM off course to get to where completely zionist controlled people were to make good and sure a legitimate investigation, which would have identified it as flight 370, never got done. And it also as a bonus could be used to spin the lie that Russia did it.
And what about the three different departure times stated in the media? And the fact that it was listed as cancelled by the biggest aircraft tracking web site out there?
Obviously no one could get a departure time for MH17, because it stayed on the ground and a different plane took off so everyone in the media guessed and that created conflicts.
Is it obvious now? Sparkly clean passports showing up with no used
ones in the mix, Completely DNA matched passengers being stated in the
news when it is flatly impossible to even get pre crash samples that
fast, the fact that NO ONE living would board a plane that had rotting
corpses aboard, corpses that were not bagged and showed up in the
wreckage like normal passengers, 108 aids doctors supposedly on the
flight manifest reduced to 6, the plane being 200KM off course for no
reason, THREE DIFFERENT DEPARTURE TIMES STATED, the largest flight web
site listing it as canceled, THE PERFECT RESUMPTION OF FLIGHT MH17 AS IF
NOT A SINGLE PLANE WAS LOST and probably 50 other details out there to
be had PROVES THERE WAS NO MH17 AND THIS WAS DISPOSAL OF A DIFFERENT
AIRCRAFT AND LOAD OF PASSENGERS.
What more can I say? I cannot think for you, if you are STILL ASKING
WHAT ABOUT THE PASSENGERS WHO BOARDED MH17 WITH ALL OF THE ABOVE
PERFECTLY DOCUMENTED IN THE PAGE BELOW, I GIVE UP.
HERE IS THE OBVIOUS ANSWER: Someone with a billion dollar budget bought
all seats on MH17, ordered the plane to stay grounded, created fake
boarding log, drafted up fake passports, and remote flew flight 370 and
all original people on flight 370 out of the same airport while making
sure they were good and dead beforehand so they could not talk about
Diego Garcia, mixed them with perhaps a few other undesirables that were
already whacked as well and then flew flight 370 to its final disposal
over Ukraine. They had to get rid of that plane somehow, and the
perfect corresponding time of shootdown with the time of the beginning
of the ground assault on Gaza pretty much sews up WHO STOLE FLIGHT 370.
Oh please NOT AGAIN!"http://www.accesstomedicineindex.org/joep-lange-will-be-greatly-missed  So, yes, the original 100 was a lie, but Joep Lange was an important AIDS-researcher."
My response:In getting the truth, you HAVE TO stay perfectly rooted in established FACT, which is: They stated 108 aids researchers were aboard via the "boarding log", were forced to redact it, which means THERE NEVER WAS A BOARDING LOG AND EITHER JOE NEVER EXISTED OR THEY KILLED HIM AND LOADED HIM IN WITH THE CORPSES ON FLIGHT 370 BECAUSE HE WAS INCONVENIENT. They blew this psy op so badly there is no going back for them, the only accurate statement was there was a shoot down with rotten bodies aboard. The rest is BULLSHIT.
Dario wrote:"I am sure you have already seen this or someone has informed you of this but Flightaware has changed its flight path data for MH17 for most of its flights before July 17th. It now shows the flight going right over Donetsk and Torez. Clearly tampered and manipulated!! Unfortunately I did not take any screenshots but I looked at this closely and clearly remember the flight paths south of the war zone in Eastern Ukraine going over NE of the Black Sea, Sea of Azov." Dario
I am well aware of this tampering, it happened early on and it will probably fool the CNN crowd, which pretty much cannot be saved anyway. But there are lots of screen captures of the original record out there in the alternative press (and I saw these live before modification myself), which prove beyond a doubt that many "official sources" cannot be trusted AT ALL because they will falsify data to fit the official story. The Fukushima report produced by this web site nailed the USGS for falsifying info exactly the same way,
thanks for writing!
Hey Jim, Hope you are well. I read your page several times a day and have turned so many people on to it and I want to thank you for all you are doing.
Not sure if you have already seen this video from Vice News. Its pretty disturbing but I wanted to point out the parts where bodies hit the ground and there isnt a drop of blood around them. Especially the guy in the road. It just totally supports the fact that they were drained.
I will post this, I am getting a headache and appreciate a freebie, good work, Thanks! Upon looking at the video, I have to agree you are absolutely correct. 10 years ago I witnessed a high rise suicide jump, and there was so much blood from the body the fire department came and sprayed the scene with hoses to clean it up. The lack of blood from multiple bodies in the video from an even greater fall says it ALL. Thanks for the super clear video link.
July 20 2014
DNA PROOF SUBMITTED AT LEAST A WEEK TOO SOON PROVES IDENTIFICATION OF PASSENGERS FALSEToni wrote: Today I picked up my sister who flew in from the netherlands. She tells me that a team of doctors from the Netherlands went to the crash site and identified people on board as the people who checked in flight MH17. Including DNA proof. I told her I doubt that is possible in such a short time.
DNA identification requires a pre crash sample to be available for all passengers. There is NO WAY they could have located even ONE pre crash sample this quickly and then used it to identify even ONE passenger in only two days. The machines may go that fast with really good samples if you start from day one with both samples in the lab, but HOW, with passengers from Malaysia, China, Australia, the Netherlands and many other places could that happen? ANSWER: THERE WAS NO DNA IDENTIFICATION and now that this lie has been spun WAY TOO SOON, THERE NEVER WILL BE. Just like when Israel verifies the DNA of a "suicide bomber" and bulldozes the neighborhood within two hours of a "bombing", such lies are for the foolish. DO NOT be counted among them. If a super sleuth crack team of experts was deployed and had the best of the best gear ON SITE IN UKRAINE, and a complimentary team ready to pounce right on the home of a crash victim you might see the first true result in FIVE DAYS if they got VERY LUCKY, with most in a week and a half, and many never identified at all because no pre crash sample was there to be had. Why would there be a rush to report this anyway (true or not), other than to steer public opinion?With recombinant technology vastly improved over years prior, it might be possible to get a match in two days IF AND ONLY IF at the exact beginning of those two days both samples were available, both samples were very large and of high quality and both samples went straight into the equipment immediately. But with pre crash samples needing to be ferreted out from homes and posessions and being of imperfect quality, and the body over a thousand KM away, two days is laughably foolish - it simply would never happen.
I say ZERO dead aids doctors or live passengers or pilots, and only corpses loaded and flown via remote
DEAR RENSE AND YOSHI, YOU SCREWED UP BIG TIME. BECAUSE ON A 777, THE CARGO BAY IS PRESSURIZED AND RECEIVES THE EXACT SAME AIR THE CABIN DOES. THERE IS NO SEPARATION IN THIS ON A 777 WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE 777 BECAUSE IT IS THAT WAY WITH ALL MODELS, AND IF LIVE PASSENGERS SHARED THE SAME AIRSPACE AS ROTTING CORPSES, WELL, THEY WOULD NOT GET ON THAT PLANE WOULD THEY? WHAT WOULD THE PILOTS THINK? YOU ARE BUSTED RENSE, GET THAT LIE OF YOURS ABOUT DISEASED DEAD CORPSES IN THE CARGO BAY WITH LIVE PEOPLE IN THE CABIN OFF THE WEB.And why load diseased corpses into a plane that was going to be shot down in the middle of nowhere? The diseased corpses cargo bay story is absolute crp and that is all there is to it. I am actually angry with Rense for spinning that kind of bunk out of nowhere and or allowing Yoshi to peddle that crp on such a large venue, as angry as I am for having an Australian newspaper make the the same type of lie up about 108 dead doctors when there is no way ANY doctor has a nose that would have permitted boarding that plane AT ALL.
For another example of blatant disinfo, one only needs to look at the report about the 108 dead aids researchers on the plane, which was also totally fabricated news from a mainstream Australian newspaper. After this web site gutted that lie, the "official" story was changed to the number SIX.
The fact that they used the number SIX is proof that story is also a lie.Here is a good tip for finding lies or fabricated stories in the news. If the number SIX is used, that is Jewish code for the story highly probably being a fabrication. Six is the favorite Jewish number, it is what they always use, and since a lower number of dead aids doctors was necessary to come up with, (a MUCH LOWER NUMBER,) the next lie was spun with the number SIX. If you ever see the number six used to count victims or witnesses or anything else, count on an approximately 90 percent probability that the story is FALSE, especially when obviously the number of doctors on that plane was ZERO. Since there is no air separation between the cargo hold and the main cabin, ONLY CORPSES WERE ON THAT PLANE, NOT ONE LIVE BODY WAS BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE RUN OFF THAT PLANE IN DISGUST.
HERE IS WHY: In the wreckage the rotten corpses were not bagged or shielded from their environment in ANY WAY. This makes the entire notion of having live people, ESPECIALLY DOCTORS WHO MIGHT KNOW THAT SMELL, on that plane at all.
Bottom line? The shared airspace in the cargo hold and cabin
once again supports the entire notion that the shoot down plane really
was flight 370, and it was either autopiloted or remote controlled to
the shoot down location. No live passenger would have boarded and no
pilot would have either with no separation between them and rotting
corpses in a sealed environment, the shared airspace leaves only ONE
ANSWER, which is:
Someone with billion dollar funding bought all seats on the flight to
suit the records, fake identities and accompanying passports were
provided, the plane was swapped, the flight was listed as canceled, and
flight 370 took off and was used for the shoot down. It was flown 200 KM
off course to get to the correct region for shoot down.
And the pristine passports also tell the story, there was not one
recovered that looked the least bit used. Obviously they were made days
before this false flag, and whoever fronted it did not expect any
intact bodies to make it through the crash. Usually with high speed
crashes bodies are erased. In this case, that assumption was a huge
Afterward route MH17 continued perfectly on schedule as if no crash
happened at all. That is because route MH17 lost no planes and could
just resume as normal. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks because it
genuinely vanished, yet again confirming MH17 lost no aircraft at all.
And all people on flight 370 were killed well in advance of this false
flag shoot down to make good and sure NO ONE would survive the crash to
talk about what happened at Diego Garcia.
And what about Gaza? That is even more motiviation for ditching flight 370 at this time, to draw the public eye away from an even bigger crime to a lesser one to be milked as many ways as possible, including an attempt to frame Russia for a plane shoot down. That is so Jewish, turn two events that should be a death sentence for the tribe into an opportunity to wage yet another war, no doubt one which will only shed goy blood.
108 aids conference delegates suddenly dropped to six proves entire "missing and dead" script from MH17 a fabrication.Many news sites picked this 108 number up, and this ONE THING, which was a HUGE LIE, proves that there were NO REGULARLY SCHEDULED PASSENGERS ON FLIGHT MH17. The redactions of the 108 aids conference delegates proves the entire list false, if you drop the number 108 down to six, who were the other 102? The mainstream media is hiccuping and backtracking and tripping all over itself trying to plug holes in their story and praying for short memories and impressionable attention deficit minds, please watch the puppet on the left while the "magic" is done elsewhere and OH GOD may they forget all the lies we spun and just hop right back into tomorrows script without thought or memory AT ALL.
July 19 2014It is said dead men tell no tales, but in this case, when they are rotten three hours after takeoff that statement is a blunder.
Alin wrote:I read your articles, but you never said what happened to the people on the real MH 17? Wouldn't it just make another load of bodies to get rid of?
My response:That is a big mystery we do not have the answer to. However, we do have ONE ANSWER: The bodies on the shot down plane were rotten and obviously dead for days. That is what we have to go with for the initial clue, lack of answers elsewhere does not change that.
July 19 coverage starts here
Do not forget Gaza, which this shoot down was in part used for to occupy the news with something else
AIDS Microbiologists on MH17 story a HOAX!As I suspected, when a major Australian paper reported that 100 top aids researchers were on MH17, the story was a hoax. As it turns out, the official airline serving the conference is Emirates Airlines, which is offering steep discounts on air travel to the conference, and is listed as the official airline serving the conference. This puts the 100 dead microbiologists on A SINGLE MALAYSIA AIRLINES FLIGHT that in reality left too early anyway into the HOAX category, FIGURE THE ODDS. John wrote: Predictive programming for MH17 on "The Strain"
Hollywood famous Guillermo del Toro directed & wrote the season premiere of "The Strain" which aired on July 13th on FX (Fox owned network) just 4 days before MH-17. In the episode a BOEING jetliner arrives @ JFK from Europe with everyone dead on board, drained of blood & already decomposing.
My comment: Just like the bodies on crashed "mh17". Also see this: The exact true scenario for 911 was released by FOX six months before 911, predictive programming has also occurred on other occasions so this does not surprise me at all
I read your articles, but you never said what happened to the people on the real MH 17? Wouldn't it just make another load of bodies to get rid of?
That is a big mystery we do not have the answer to. However, we do have ONE ANSWER: The bodies were rotten and obviously dead for days. That is what we can go with, lack of answers elsewhere does not change that.
MH17 Keeps flying on schedule despite "shoot down"Something new came in today, which makes me want to once again pop a HUGE question: Why is MH17 flying as if nothing happened after this shoot down, when after flight 370 vanished, flight 370 did not resume for WEEKS? The answer is obvious, and that is that the shot down plane was in fact flight 370. The rotted bodies prove it, and A HUGE piece of additional information came in today which is another SMOKING GUN - Tobia wrote: "Wondering what the deal is with the picture that the Dutch man supposedly took at Schipholi before departure, mentioning "This is how the plane looks like in case it disappears" (or something like that)? You can clearly see part of the serial number on the front landing gear hatch: it says RC, which should be part of the nr 9MMRC, a MH17 clone plane that according to flightradar24 departed for Kuala Lumpur on the 11th, and since then no flight at all."
Answer: The plane used for the shoot down was NOT MH17, and this is all a setup. Errors like this are made by psyop teams who forget to factor in every possible variable.
I have a woman writing me saying a friend of a friend was on that plane, and is now missing. And I do not believe it. If Military commanders said the bodies were rotten at the moment of crash, this means dead for days before this shoot down, and no friend of hers was on that plane. It is said dead men tell no tales, but in this case, when they are rotten three hours after takeoff that statement is a blunder. I hate to sound harsh, but as Glenn Beck, who trashed the Philip Wood report would have it, Philip Wood is now dead. The enemy of all of us resides within the mainstream media.
It has been anounced that because rebels got to the crash first, NO ANALYSIS OF THE CRASH CAN BE DONE.How convenient. Let me tell you why no analysis can be done. Because Ukraine is totally zionist controlled, and they do not want answers getting out. These answers will be provided by serial numbers on all the parts. Flight 370 was a brand spankin new aircraft, at a little under two years old. And it would be impossible to dispose of. You might be able to go through it and rob the aluminum and get that recycled without anyone pegging you, but what about the landing gear, hydraulic pumps, fuel pumps, engines or anything else? Those parts would have been impossible to dispose of because they are all tracked via serial number and the serial numbers are all tracked to the plane they came from. The only way to ditch flight 370 would be to do so in a war zone in a totally controlled puppet state where you could blame circumstances for the inability to conduct a proper investigation. I guess you could also ditch it at sea, but there are satellites, RUSSIAN SATELLITES that could nail you doing it.
July 18 2014
Military Commander: Passengers dead long before plane took off
MH17 all but completely proven to be flight 370July 18 2014 The bodies were dead for days before the flight and smelling of rot according to top military commander at the scene, which would be expected if they were actually from flight 370. They would have been loaded on the plane dead to make sure no one could speak about what went on.
From the Washington Times:"MOSCOW — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off. The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition." My comment: This strongly supports MH370 as being the real shoot down plane, with all passengers dead long before and probably being taken off of ice and loaded into the plane for final disposal. If a body is already dead before a crash, crash damage will not show up the same way it will with live bodies. This is probably why so many of the bodies in the wreckage do not show serious burns or blood. A good example of this effect is to take a piece of chicken and throw it in a hot pan for a few seconds. If you remove it from the hot pan within a short time, it will look totally uncooked. Yet if you put your hand on that hot pan for even half a second, it will be badly burned, and show it. Live flesh shows injury easily because of the way living cells respond to injury. If the bodies were dead for days and possibly loaded onto the plane well chilled it would explain a lot about their relatively undamaged appearance in the wreckage.
Additionally, MH17 returned immediately to normal flight schedules after this shoot down, and I beg to question HOW if a real MH17 plane was lost. The only incomplete flight is the shoot down flight. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks after the jet supporting it disappeared, why not the same scenario for MH17 if it really did get shot down? Answer: The shot down plane was the disposal of flight 370, being reported as MH17 to cover it up thus leaving MH17 in a position to return to normal immediately. Dead men tell no tales? Perhaps if they are NOT LOADED ONTO A PLANE ROTTEN.
As I suspected, MH17 is NOT supposed to over fly Eastern UkraineMH17 flies over Western Ukraine because the curvature of the earth makes flying over a small portion of Western Ukraine the shortest route. And I calculated that, only to be put off by a piece of disinfo which showed the flight path accomodating this "shoot down". MH17 indeed does not fly a straight line by appearances on a map, but it also does not curve extremely far east as now shown on disinfo sites to accomodate the "official" story. And someone else nailed this, and it ended up in my mail box. Yonatan said...
If it was MH17 that was shot down over Torez, it was 200 km north of its published route. It doesn't fly over the eastern land border between Ukraine and Russia. It crosses the Ukrainian coast at Berdyansk to fly over the Sea of Azov towards Primorsko-Akhtarsk.
What time was it allegedly shot down? How come it disappeared from trackers in west Ukraine and and appears to have traveled about 1000 km into eastern Ukraine some 200 km off route without being challenged by Ukrainian authorities?
Hmmm very odd, in the time taken to send my earlier message and to compose this update, FlightAware's data has been updated to show the aircraft in East Ukraine. Fortunately I have earlier screenshots of both before and after FlightAware data.
A new data entry for 2:19 puts it at 48.1N 38.5E roughly around Donestk / Torez. There is no data for the intervening hour. Why was it so far off route? What was the reason for the lack of tracking data? All the earlier MH17 flights I have checked route even further south.
Something's fishier than a barrel full of rotting fish.
MY COMMENT: YEP. AS FISHY AS MISSING FLIGHT 370. I knew it! Eastern Ukraine is NOT the correct flight path for the real MH17, which is why MH17 is now flying perfectly on schedule again! a different 777 was used for this. UPDATE: This got expunged and no longer exists. I suggest people verify for themselves, flight MH17 DOES NOT GO TO WHERE THIS SHOOT DOWN HAPPENED, NOT EVEN WITHIN 175 KILOMETERS OF WHERE IT HAPPENED. I called this on day one, only to be railroaded by B.S. put up ahead of time to no doubt stifle any search for the flight path for MH17. That alone is a smoking gun, this was set up well in advance.
My estimation of earth curvature had MH17 passing over a very small portion of Western Ukraine, never getting within 250 KM of Russia. I sure would like to see the published route, but the page it was on has BEEN REMOVED. Censorship is ruling the day, more so with this than any other event so far.
Selective censorship of MH17 coverage speaks volumesWhoever controls the internet is swapping out screen captures I have posted with alternative images that have completely different file names and are not even on my server. I cannot stop this from happening, if anything conflicts the text will have to do. This is HUGE, and the swap outs have been done to linked tweets, linked testimony of witnesses, and screen captures which strongly indicate that MH17 never took off on July 17, and therefore a different plane had to have been used. This would slam dunk the 100 dead aids doctors story, which I think is BOGUS. I seriously think the 100 dead doctors story is disinfo, in fact I am going to CALL IT. However, it is going to be huge so I have to at least mention it: 100 top aids researchers were on flight MH17 but keep in mind that counter stories that are really likely to go viral will be launched to muddy the waters with anything such as the downing of flight 370. I would be aware of this but skeptical. 100 doctors? HOW BIG IS THAT CONFERENCE, IF IT STUFFED 100 DOCTORS FROM A SMALL COUNTRY ONTO A SINGLE PLANE DAYS BEFORE THE CONFERENCE? I CALL B.S. from that alone!
Pa Namby wrote:
".. of air crashes. No images of people asking for fate, complaining, crying, etc.
Usually the first air disasters coverage is reporting on familiar's reactions.
I have seen nothing...have you?"
One huge problem is that flight MH17 resumed as usual with the only
missing flight being the shoot down, which by itself is very strange
considering the nature of the shoot down. Flight 370 was canceled for
weeks so I beg to question why MH17 continued without a hiccup if it
really had been shot down. But since the report about the doctors and
the aids conference is in the rounds, I at least have to mention it,
though I doubt it. There is too much other evidence to the contrary,
such as MH17 IS ALREADY ON SCHEDULE AGAIN.
My response: Good point. The families of flight 370 already did that!
Here is the most heavily censored event, and the background on itFighter jet escorts reveal the real story: FINAL – Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17 Immediately after the shoot down, foreign people entered the control tower at Kiev Borispol Airport which was monitoring flight MH17 and removed the normal workers and started doing their jobs. These "replacements by force" were obviously put there to front the official story. The normal control tower staff then reported the presense of two fighter jet escorts via Twitter. These tweets were subsequently removed by Twitter. However, the normal tower staff has successfully gotten through to various honest news outlets such as THIS ONE, which has had this link vanish from this site for some readers. If the link is not visible check back later and I will have a capture here. If these people succesfully speak, the fact that "MH17" was under fighter jet escort will not be buried by Twitter or any replacement staff.
Flight departure times are inconsistent, and one major web site showed MH17 as canceled on the 17th.If flight MH17 really took off, it would have had an agreed upon departure time. But three news outlets released 3 different departure times, which strongly indicates the flight never happened and a different 777 was shot down. And anyone could safely bet the now zio zombie Ukraine would dispose of flight 370 for a military perk from the U.S. It is highly probable that flight 370 was substituted out, zombie flown either via remote by both fighter jets or by pre programmed autopilot with the transponder programmed to identify it as MH17, with all original passengers aboard and possibly other undesirables, and then shot down by the fighter jet escorts. Buk missiles produce a very noticeable plume, and no one documented any. In the day of cell phone cams, I would say zero documentation of something so noticeable means no missile launch. This points the finger at the fighter jet escorts which have always been completely scrubbed from the mainstream media and would do the dirty work at an altitude too high for any witnesses. And with Ukraine now operating as a zio proxy state, any investigation of the debris will be carried out "appropriately".
Obviously this is all guessing, but when we have an established media that is well proven to do nothing but lie with events such as this, a guess is better than practically anything the media would spew. One unanswered question is how the originating airport could be kept quiet about this, BUT if an intermediate tower not associated with the initial takeoff could be silenced about what they saw, and this was a very important psy op, I am certain the correct arrangements would be made at the originating location to keep a lid on this, which leaves the only other venue of proof being one documented cancellation on a flight tracker site, and numerous media errors regarding departure time.
If a departure for MH17 happened, only ONE time would be logged, yet within a short time I found 3, at 14 minutes, 15 minutes and 31 minutes past the hour (compensate yourself for time zone.) This inconsistency is practically bullet proof evidence no flight departure time was ever actually recorded, if a real departure happened all news sources would have the same departure time. This has all been preserved on this site in other posts farther down the page, they cannot go back and change them and get away with it.
So what actually happened as far as I see it?The originating tower was re-staffed at least temporarily with people who would keep a secret about what really went on at the airport. Flight370 was remote flown or flown out via pre programmed autopilot with a transponder identifying it as MH17. It then received two fighter jet escorts when far enough away from the originating airport to not arouse suspicion and these fighter escorts for the most part stayed close enough to conceal their radar signature and provide "pilot feedback" from pilot absent zombie flown flight 370. At the appropriate time it was shot down.
HOW APPROPRIATE WAS THE TIMING OF THIS SHOOT DOWN? So appropriate it perfectly corresponded with the start of a massive Israeli ground assault on Gaza to divert public attention to something else. That is the FINAL red flag here, it is such a huge red flag it blocks out the sky above all other reason.So, in short: MH370 was disposed of because it had to be gotten rid of, and it was done in a way that diverted news away from a huge assault on Gaza and as a bonus gave Russia a black eye. Milk it every way they can, by way of deception thou shalt do war, and though obviously none of this will ever be "officially" documented, the logic certainly fits.
And a final nail - MH17 is proceeding as normal, with normal flights THE DAY AFTER. When MH370 vanished, that route was cancelled FOR WEEKS. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? Is anyone out there really stupid enough to believe business as usual would resume the the next scheduled flight after a genuine loss of an aircraft that flies anywhere near a war zone? That next scheduled flight is LANDING IN MALAYSIA THE DAY AFTER ON SCHEDULE AS I WRITE THIS, and I beg to question WHY. Is anyone out there gullible enough to buy the notion of business as usual after a genuine unexpected shoot down, or perhaps more importantly, the loss of two IDENTICAL 777 aircraft from the SAME AIRLINE within 4 months? FIGURE THE ODDS. For the information hounds out there, Nodisinfo retracted their hoax report most likely on word that the bodies were dead long before the flight took off, which explained too many of the anomalies they noted.
Is the U.S. Withholding Evidence that Ukrainian Troops Shot Down MH17? What Did US Spy Satellites See in Ukraine?
The U.S. media’s Ukraine bias has been obvious, siding with the Kiev regime and bashing ethnic Russian rebels and Russia’s President Putin. But now – with the scramble to blame Putin for the Malaysia Airlines shoot-down – the shoddy journalism has grown truly dangerous.
In the heat of the U.S. media’s latest war hysteria – rushing to pin blame for the crash of a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet on Russia’s President Vladimir Putin – there is the same absence of professional skepticism that has marked similar stampedes on Iraq, Syria and elsewhere – with key questions not being asked or answered.
The dog-not-barking question on the catastrophe over Ukraine is: what did the U.S. surveillance satellite imagery show? It’s hard to believe that – with the attention that U.S. intelligence has concentrated on eastern Ukraine for the past half year that the alleged trucking of several large Buk anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia to Ukraine and then back to Russia didn’t show up somewhere.
Yes, there are limitations to what U.S. spy satellites can see. But the Buk missiles are about 16 feet long and they are usually mounted on trucks or tanks. Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 also went down during the afternoon, not at night, meaning the missile battery was not concealed by darkness.
So why hasn’t this question of U.S. spy-in-the-sky photos – and what they reveal – been pressed by the major U.S. news media? How can the Washington Post run front-page stories, such as the one on Sunday with the definitive title “U.S. official: Russia gave systems,” without demanding from these U.S. officials details about what the U.S. satellite images disclose?
Instead, the Post’s Michael Birnbaum and Karen DeYoung wrote from Kiev: “The United States has confirmed that Russia supplied sophisticated missile launchers to separatists in eastern Ukraine and that attempts were made to move them back across the Russian border after the Thursday shoot-down of a Malaysian jetliner, a U.S. official said Saturday.
“‘We do believe they were trying to move back into Russia at least three Buk [missile launch] systems,’ the official said. U.S. intelligence was ‘starting to get indications … a little more than a week ago’ that the Russian launchers had been moved into Ukraine, said the official” whose identity was withheld by the Post so the official would discuss intelligence matters.
But catch the curious vagueness of the official’s wording: “we do believe”; “starting to get indications.” Are we supposed to believe – and perhaps more relevant, do the Washington Post writers actually believe – that the U.S. government with the world’s premier intelligence services can’t track three lumbering trucks each carrying large mid-range missiles?
What I’ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.
The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.
Instead of pressing for these kinds of details, the U.S. mainstream press has simply passed on the propaganda coming from the Ukrainian government and the U.S. State Department, including hyping the fact that the Buk system is “Russian-made,” a rather meaningless fact that gets endlessly repeated.
However, to use the “Russian-made” point to suggest that the Russians must have been involved in the shoot-down is misleading at best and clearly designed to influence ill-informed Americans. As the Post and other news outlets surely know, the Ukrainian military also operates Russian-made military systems, including Buk anti-aircraft batteries, so the manufacturing origin has no probative value here.
Relying on the Ukraine Regime
Much of the rest of the known case against Russia comes from claims made by the Ukrainian regime, which emerged from the unconstitutional coup d’etat against elected President Viktor Yanukovych on Feb. 22. His overthrow followed months of mass protests, but the actual coup was spearheaded by neo-Nazi militias that overran government buildings and forced Yanukovych’s officials to flee.
In recognition of the key role played by the neo-Nazis, who are ideological descendants of Ukrainian militias that collaborated with the Nazi SS in World War II, the new regime gave these far-right nationalists control of several ministries, including the office of national security which is under the command of longtime neo-Nazi activist Andriy Parubiy.[See Consortiumnews.com’s “Ukraine, Through the US Looking Glass.”]
It was this same Parubiy whom the Post writers turned to seeking more information condemning the eastern Ukrainian rebels and the Russians regarding the Malaysia Airlines catastrophe. Parubiy accused the rebels in the vicinity of the crash site of destroying evidence and conducting a cover-up, another theme that resonated through the MSM.
Without bothering to inform readers of Parubiy’s unsavory neo-Nazi background, the Post quoted him as a reliable witness declaring: “It will be hard to conduct a full investigation with some of the objects being taken away, but we will do our best.”
In contrast to Parubiy’s assurances, the Kiev regime actually has a terrible record of telling the truth or pursuing serious investigations of human rights crimes. Still left open are questions about the identity of snipers who on Feb. 20 fired on both police and protesters at the Maidan, touching off the violent escalation that led to Yanukovych’s ouster. Also, the Kiev regime has failed to ascertain the facts about the death-by-fire of scores of ethnic Russians in the Trade Union Building in Odessa on May 2. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “Burning Ukraine’s Protesters Alive.”]
The Kiev regime also duped the New York Times (and apparently the U.S. State Department) when it disseminated photos that supposedly showed Russian military personnel inside Russia and then later inside Ukraine. After the State Department endorsed the “evidence,” the Times led its newspaper with this story on April 21, but it turned out that one of the key photos supposedly shot in Russia was actually taken in Ukraine, destroying the premise of the story. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “NYT Retracts Ukraine Photo Scoop.”]
But here we are yet again with the MSM relying on unverified claims being made by the Kiev regime about something as sensitive as whether Russia provided sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles – capable of shooting down high-flying civilian aircraft – to poorly trained eastern Ukrainian rebels.
This charge is so serious that it could propel the world into a second Cold War and conceivably – if there are more such miscalculations – into a nuclear confrontation. These moments call for the utmost in journalistic professionalism, especially skepticism toward propaganda from biased parties.
Yet, what Americans have seen again is the major U.S. news outlets, led by the Washington Post and the New York Times, publishing the most inflammatory of articles based largely on unreliable Ukrainian officials and on the U.S. State Department which was a principal instigator of the Ukraine crisis.
In the recent past, this sort of sloppy American journalism has led to mass slaughters in Iraq – and has contributed to near U.S. wars on Syria and Iran – but now the stakes are much higher. As much fun as it is to heap contempt on a variety of “designated villains,” such as Saddam Hussein, Bashar al-Assad, Ali Khamenei and now Vladimir Putin, this sort of recklessness is careening the world toward a very dangerous moment, conceivably its last.
Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s.
Ukraine Compares MH17 to 9/11, Black Boxes Handed Over to Malaysia, Bodies Sent to Netherlands
If you’re the type of person that keeps up on world news and politics, you already know this past week has been one for the history books. The world has erupted in protest against Israel’s ground invasion into Gaza and the mainstream media is claiming it was ‘Putin’s Missile’ that shot down MH17 over Ukraine. You’ve probably had the same feeling in your gut the last few days as the rest of us…
*gulp* Uh oh.
Do we really want to manifest a military confrontation with Russia and China over Ukraine? Is that what our country needs right now? All it takes is an event on the homeland like MH17 and if a U.S. official blames Russia, we’re realistically looking at a war in scale of which we’ve not seen since World War Two. It honestly wouldn’t matter whether the official was telling the truth or not.
No matter where you are on the global political spectrum… Shouldn’t we all want to avoid any potential war in the region that would result in thousands of civilian casualties on both sides?
We’ve all been watching in horror as conflicts in Gaza, Syria, and Iraq have spiraled out of control in recent months. If you were just scanning through channels, you might have thought CNN was actually a new blockbuster WW3 disaster flick for a minute.
If you’re still addicted to warmonger television, you probably believe Putin is as evil as Hitler was and yes, he decided to shoot down a civilian airliner just for the hell of it. You might actually believe a military confrontation with Russia is ‘necessary to our survival’.
The truth is, we’re not seeing Putin murder women and children by the hundreds. Right now, President Obama is supporting the government’s of Israel and Ukraine as they are ordering military operations on civilian populations, resulting in nearly 1,000 deaths since June.
President Obama has been arming and training terrorists in Syria for more than two years, and now many of the same extremists are also murdering civilians by the hundreds, as ISIS battles Iraq and Syria.
If Crimea did not vote to separate from Ukraine and join Russia, their population would be experiencing the same civilian casualties as the rest of eastern Ukraine. This is what you’re not supposed to know.
What’s more accurate? Hillary Clinton comparing Putin to Hitler… or Turkish PM Erdogan comparing the murder of 500+ Palestinians in less than two weeks(80% civilians)by Israel to Hitler?
The different between mainstream and grassroots alternative media is that we investigate how, who, and why there is a conflict in the first place… Instead of just aggressively escalating the situation to the benefit of a few.
The answers are never black and white. Without awareness of critical developments leading up to a disaster, it’s impossible to understand. How can you take sides without studying the history of the conflict dividing the people? Human beings just don’t wake up one day and start killing other human beings because someone tells them to.
You have to demonize your enemy until they are viewed as ‘subhuman’ or ‘evil’, only then will ‘the people’ support military operations on civilian populations that kill women and children.
On July 17th, the downing of a civilian airliner in eastern Ukraine shocked the world and reminded us all how dangerous Ukraine’s Civil War is every day we allow it to continue.
Over 111,000 Ukrainians have packed their things up and fled their home country to escape the anti-terrorist bombing campaign carried out by Ukraine’s military, supported by the government and Ukrainian mainstream media. Nearly 500 civilians have been killed and just like in Gaza, it’s largely paid for by U.S. taxpayer money.
Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak confirmed two important things for us all today:
- The bodies of the victims have been recovered from the wreckage and are being sent to the Netherlands, with 6 Malaysian investigators accompanying them.
- The black boxes from MH17 are being handed over to Malaysian officials.
After the plane went down, Ukraine’s President Poroshenko immediately accused the eastern Ukrainian rebels of shooting it down. It’s also true that Poroshenko refused to stop his anti-terrorist operation, opting to continue bombing the region with warplanes in the days following the plane disaster, killing several more women and children.
It’s normal for local authorities to recover bodies from plane wreckage when disasters like this occur, and to then immediately send them to the countries involved. Isn’t this what has happened? Were the “pro-Russian separatists” supposed to invite the government which has been killing their families, to come to the scene of the crash and “investigate”?
It’s not normal for the President of Ukraine to compare MH17 to 9/11. This is highly irresponsible of him.
Ukraine was not attacked by a foreign country or unknown enemy on 7/17, the airliner was not Ukrainian, and the majority of victims were Dutch. What does Poroshenko think he is doing?
This is not Ukraine’s 9/11. This should insult Americans.
Today Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko stated every country must determine whether it is with the terrorists, or with the civilized world. Is is just me or does this sound just like Bush’s ‘with us or against us’ speech after 9/11? What about the investigation Mr. Poroshenko?
“The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made. But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons. They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June, including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash! Most of these are civilians and together they roughly equal the number killed in the plane crash. By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine, and the separatists have struck largely military, not civilian, targets.
They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian government in these attacks on civilians, which a State Department spokeswoman called ‘measured and moderate.’ “, Ron Paul wrote in an article for AntiWar.com
Yesterday Russia introduced its own draft resolution to the U.N. Security Council for an international investigation. As I am typing this, it appears they have unanimously adopted a resolution on MH17 calling for ‘full, thorough and independent international investigation’ and access to the site of the accident .
Why has most of the world already blamed Putin for this tragedy, based on invisible evidence, when he was the very one working hardest to start an international investigation into the tragedy? Where is Ukraine’s government calling for the same?
The eastern Ukrainians(“pro-Russian separatists”) have handed over the black boxes to Malaysian authorities.
“We must do everything to provide security for the international experts on the site of the tragedy. We repeatedly called upon all conflicting sides to stop the bloodshed immediately and sit down at the negotiating table” , Vladmir Putin as quoted by RT.
What good does it do us when Dianne Feinstein says Putin needs to ‘man up‘? Why does Peter King think it’s productive to call Putin a goon, uncivilized, and not a world leader? This is childish.
“MH17 was in fact diverted 200 kilometers north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysia Airlines in the previous days – and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication MH17 received from Kiev air control tower? Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever.” Pepe Escobar wrote for Asia Times.
I’m sure this week is going to be full of unexpected twists and turns, ups and downs… Pay attention to who is escalating the situation, and who is trying to keep things calm. Try to remain calm yourself.
Pay attention to who tries to prevent civilian deaths, and who is causing them. We don’t have to sit by and just let this happen.